Jetstream by Knetter
|Score||5, 4, 4, 4, 3, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1||Total Points: 28 (10 Votes)|
|1st Place Vote||5 Points||2nd Place Vote||4 Points||3rd Place Vote||3 Points||4th Place Vote||2 Points||5th Place Vote||1 point|
Hi there! A quick one from me this time. Hope you enjoy!
Comment by nt on 2009-03-05 12:19:48
He said he'd probably do d'n'b this round, he did it and he made some greate Liquid Funk.
Wow, impressed about the chords, Knetter! Like the way you introduce the them together with the tonal knock/conga. Beatiful texture, very well made percussions. Really like this song much! Gotta check the XRNS before I say more. So much for my first quick go-through.
Comment by organic_io on 2009-03-05 12:30:55
Knetter! I see I'm not the only one who had the idea to do d&b this round :)
Quick one! What!? Amazing work, regardless of whether this is a quick entry or not.
I agree with nt about the chords -- very intriguing and mysterious chord progression, yet fulfilling to listen to. Great job on the bass and mixing. I'll definitely have to check out the XRNS on this one and hopefully learn a thing or two :)
Comment by Storm on 2009-03-05 13:32:46
I like the basspart and synthpart
Comment by nt on 2009-03-05 14:02:08
Knetter, you're really oldschool, you know. Controlling CutOff via pattern FX - I like that! :) I also tend to use pattern effects more often than automations.
Very enjoyable song! Can only confirm what's been said by now. I like listening to it. Pattern 20 is quite much the cliché I like to hear in liquid funk songs. You made a nice use of the theramin for as a dnb bassline.
Also like the mixing very much. I can turn the volume up high without any disturbing highs. Very clean and still organic.
PS: It was a good idea to set the focus on the chords track ;)
Comment by Airmann on 2009-03-05 17:13:42
This is pretty cool ! Especially for a quick production.
Subbasses are very nice, especially great in Pattern 24. Love the crystal bell part ... sweet.
Good drum programming
Mix seems to be very clean (hey lowcutting ;-)
BTW: I noticed that all your songs have track names like track1,2,3,4 ... I'm wondering how can you find the right channels ?
About the chords: maybe a bit humanizing would improve it ? - just an idea !
Comment by Knetter on 2009-03-06 06:23:01
Its MCOD (Music Composition On Demand), nt :D !
I think I rather use pattern commands because you can see them in the pattern editor. With automation, I always have some effect-change-leaks somewhere and have to search for them.. The mixing tips from Airmann of the prev round worked out quite well I guess (low cutting and the idea of 'frequency windowing' to reduce crowded frequencies), again thanks mann.
IO, its the secret D&B round! :)
@Airmann: Do you mean volume humanizing? Don't have so much trouble with the default channel names - I always look at the waveform displayed in the track scope for navigation.
Comment by nt on 2009-03-06 11:57:49
Mmmh, very calm. I had your song on my mind at work today. Love the gentle chords.
MCOD ...First sight made me think of a new module format :)
Such an impressing mix. Seldom heard such a good mixing.
Comment by organic_io on 2009-03-06 16:09:31
Agreed about the mixing.. And about it being stuck in my head at work... Dare I say all day?
There are 2 songs in particular that this reminds me of..
Chords: DJ Sammy - Beautiful smile
Atmosphere: Pendulum - Streamline
P.S... I love both of those songs so it's a huge compliment :)
PPS, incidentally, Pendulum is what I tried to make my snare sound like this round
Comment by Airmann on 2009-03-06 16:26:04
Makes me happy to hear that some tips are working, at least :-).
@Humanizing: yes volume/velocity for Track7. I had the slight impression that it sounded a bit hard/monotonous after a while.
I used a Humanization of 10 and humanized only the volume of whole track7 of the song with the advanced edit dialog.
Subjective impression afterwards: a bit more soften sound but maybe a bit less groovy somehow. Since these are
rythm-based chords and the values of the three subchannels are changed differently, a manual modification may be the better choice :-?
Addition: I tried it with Huminzation 5 ... that sounds more groovy. .... Maybe it's not necessary at all
@Channel Naming: intresting method ! Never had this in focus ...
Cite: "MCOD ...First sight made me think of a new module format :)" ... ha ha ;-))) !!! Yes we still don't have enough of them.
Comment by nt on 2009-03-07 13:58:48
Listening in a loop over speakers now. Very well mixed, did I mention it? The theramin bass could be quieter by 0.0000001 percent maybe. Not even worth mentioning it actually.
Edit: Not for the low notes, only for the higher notes.
Comment by agargara on 2009-03-07 18:03:39
Fast but laidback. Good for background music (this is not a criticism!) Maybe for some sort of racing game or something. Relaxing but energetic. Contrast begets art.
Comment by keith303 on 2009-03-08 10:13:26
good job on everything: mix/master(with a slight deduction), progression, melody, mood, atmosphere, use of samples. no complaints whatsoever, except for the sub (track05) being a tad bit too loud when played in the higher note regions, but without that everything would be too perfect really ;)
Comment by Knetter on 2009-03-08 10:50:47
@keith: Thanks, I was thinking its my little-crap-tracking environment that was resonating with the higher subbass. But since you've heard this too, its in the mix :/... And I'm always having this problem... Now how do you fix this? Using a non-steep low-pass filter? Or EQ? Or is it fixed with correct compression?
Comment by keith303 on 2009-03-08 11:26:19
i usually try to circumvent this the "oldskool way" by simply playing the higher notes at a lower volume, according to my hearing. compression (or limiting in this case) won't do it alone, because the lower frequencies will always sound a bit more quiet than the higher ones, even if they're technically playing at the same volume, referring to the dB scale.
btw: whilst listening to the track a bit more attentively, i also noticed track 07's lower notes of the chord partially "fighting" against the bassline on track16.
i've changed that for one pattern the way i think it sounds "right"
every change i made to the pattern data or DSP chain is commented either in the track- or pattern name.
i've upped the XRNS to sendspace here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/098t8j]
Comment by Knetter on 2009-03-08 12:32:04
Great thanks for the review! The oldskool trick, how cool man, I can remember that I did this in Impulse Tracker..! Don't know why I didn't use it here - its really obvious if you hear the difference!
Believing your own ears is the morale of the story :)...I can hear your point about the fighting notes. But I Don't know whats better. The improved version is a bit too "obvious" perhaps - but way more friendly.
Comment by keith303 on 2009-03-08 12:43:43
you're really welcome!
i guess it's just as usual with music in general: there is no worse or better. it's just what you're after in this case - perfect harmony or (slight) disharmony (which is barely noticeable when all tracks are played back at the same time.. i actually noticed it by solo'ing the two).
Comment by CAG on 2009-03-08 13:23:04
alternatively, if you're lazy, like me, you would hit it up with a moog no-res lowpass. :)
just chillin to this track. expertly constructed. mmmm. turning up that volume knob.
Comment by Knetter on 2009-03-08 13:32:08
@CAG: ....and everything in the room starts vibrating when the bass is hitting the higher notes ;)
Comment by aGIANTpupafish on 2009-03-08 13:57:41
thought this was gonna be a cover of the beautiful "jetstream" by a band called 'doves'
as it turned out it wasnt, but it was still fantastic. that bass is deeeeep ;)
keep 'em coming please!
Comment by juolac on 2009-03-08 13:58:31
I like the jazzy chords in the bneginning..Soft and airy.
Haven't I heard it somewhere in the past compos?
This song you can play loud and still have a conversation. nice drums.
Comment by tenfour on 2009-03-08 14:47:05
ohhhhh you know the way to my heart with those inverted chords. i feel the same about being able to see all automation in the pattern editor. it's the reason i prefer trackers to other sequencers. with each renoise release, i use SX3 less and less.
agree that the subbass gets too loud when playing high.
everyone said it... this sounds great! no detail overlooked. subtle, with finesse pouring out of every channel. extremely easy to listen to.
ok i'll be a real nit-picker and say that for the most part your harmonies are all very lush and thick. but in pattern 14 (and others), line 104 and 112, the synchrotexture sample screams a 5th which sounds barren and out of place.
major props for this work of art.
Comment by Knetter on 2009-03-08 17:58:34
Big thanks dudes!
@GP: That is some awesome music, thanks for pointing me out!
@juolac: I was a inspired by the song of nt from last round...chords are perhaps a bit Danny Byrd-ish.
Comment by cralias on 2009-03-09 09:18:20
This song was looping for some half an hour, while I was busy with things. Awesome background music for work! And after that couldn't help myself but to whistle and hum this song all day long :D
I actually like the sub playing higher notes little louder. It adds more spice. Well, it depends.
Comment by nt on 2009-03-09 16:37:23
I was a inspired by the song of nt from last round...chords are perhaps a bit Danny Bird-ish.
Btw in this current round, in ambtax1's & my coop entry the low-pitched drums are inspired by your Sector 7 ;)
Comment by hexmode on 2009-03-10 19:47:25
Very sweet and smooth and nice... your mixes always sound so polished to me, I'll have to d/l renoise and see how it's done :D