Compo Status :: Round 88 Voting :: Ended 2014-12-14 00:00:00 *CST () :: 7 Votes

East Clubbers - It's a Dream (Knetter remix) by Knetter

Round 46
Author Knetter
Title East Clubbers - It's a Dream (Knetter remix)
MP3 Link http://www.loopproject.com/filebase/sdcompo/knetter/sdc46_east_clubbers-its_a_dream(knetter_remix).mp3
Module Link sdc46_Knetter-East_Clubbers-It_s_a_dream(Knetter_remix).xrns
Filesize 9238KB
Score 5, 5, 2, 2, 2, 2Total Points: 18 (6 Votes)
1st Place Vote5 Points2nd Place Vote4 Points3rd Place Vote3 Points4th Place Vote2 Points5th Place Vote1 point

Authors' Notes

Enjoy...

Comments

Comment by Airmann on 2010-02-03 10:43:13

Does Remix mean original song is from East Clubbers ? Do you have a source link
Very good first impression, more later ... yes and you did the wobble again ^^ and it sounds pretty dubstep authentic

Comment by Knetter on 2010-02-03 11:09:47

Airmann, I obtained the sample on a quite strange manner. First I was searching ccMixter for acapellas but I must have been clicking some sponsored link since I cannot find the artist any more. The acap's archive contained a license.txt file saying that the use is free for non-commercial goals and that it may be redistributed over the internet blah blah. Also is contained the line that the user of the sample must call its song East Clubbers - It's a Dream (<artist> remix). So here I did.....I don't know anymore - maybe I just advertised their "free" samples since the link was to a commercial sample site.

The original song is called:

East Clubbers - Its a dream


(I'm quite against licensing and sample clearance - its such a nuisance)

Comment by Sonicade on 2010-02-03 14:07:51

These vocals are freakin awesome. Love your chill dnb remix Knetter. This fantastic stuff.

I think I found the link. I may do a remix as well inspired by your track Knetter!
http://www.vocal-samples.com/product_info.php?products_id=75&osCsid=8104327b77b11e7b5f6f918c1cd32ec7

Comment by tenfour on 2010-02-04 05:23:31

really amazing. heerlijk. impressive; sometimes it's hard to believe your stuff is renoise. well i am not using the beta yet so i can't see the xrns. but listening closely there are a lot of details here and all I can really say is that I'm impressed at almost every aspect of this. I think the mix is off sometimes. maybe it's my ignorance of the style? More of my ignorance will show in my other critiques I guess...
- wobble is just annoying
- are filter sweeps considered cliché yet?
- vocals are too quiet in general. it's a really powerful melody and i wish i could hear it better. your chord progression complements the vocals in a way that's magically lekker.

Comment by ambtax1 on 2010-02-05 18:04:44

Brilliant mix knetter. As always.
I too, found the vocal a touch quiet.
It only needed to be lifted a little to make it spot on without dominating.

Comment by juolac on 2010-02-08 14:53:46

Well, drums are just... perfect. The vocals fits well to the flawless production.
Hm was remixes allowed? ;)
Thumbs up anyway!

Comment by chunter on 2010-02-08 17:51:43

Knetter's signature sound, lovely mix, though a little quiet on my home system.

I think it's important to remember that although many things that happen in dance musics are cliches, they are like the notes or "cadence" of the style. The simpler the style, the less you get to work with: imagine if we all played The Blues, for example.

The important thing to remember is to maintain an element of surprise, and that's not an easy thing to do. Leaving the style or changing the key (two things I would do) is cheating! ;) I think a little bit more needs to happen in the ending third of this tune, maybe some blips, stutters, a surprise quiet bit, I'm not sure.

Overall, this is a perfect mix, and would be at home in the end of any DnB set.

Comment by Chotoro on 2010-02-08 19:23:08

Fluid, rolling, excellent.

The detuned string in the guitar chord sample fits in just right.

Comment by Airmann on 2010-02-09 18:00:29

What, 209 Patterns :-D ? Ok - it has a high tempo.

This is really a very smooth remix. Indeed with the Knetter signature sound (no bad thing).
Intro and guitar strumming remind me to Raggae music. Did you play the guitar by yourself ? Is it an E-Guitar ? Recording process ? Detuned as Chotoro writes ?
The d'n'b has a good feeling and groove. The adlibs are nice. The athmo and sub in combination are creamy as can be.

DSP's:
Good idea to use the kick signal follower to control the pre-level of the two send tracks. I've used a gainer, but it's good to know that this works, too.
You like LFO-Q controlled lowshelf filters, right :-) ?. Guess it brings a lot of movement to the sound.

Audio Mix:
good usage of panning, though if you check the overal stereo width in MST with NuGen's Goniometer it's surprisingly narrow.
I tried an experimental stereo expander in MST with moderate expansion - not bad.

I agree with the others that voice should be louder (3-5 dB). It's not that bad with headphones, but with speakers you hear it.
Your settings degrade it to a background voice - maybe that was intended ?

Reverb in MST: FYI in the "official" order the maximizer/limiter is the last component in the mastering chain. Reverb comes before compression
and maximizer. That is because reverb alters the dynamics/levels again. Therefore, in mastering stage you setup reverb and compression in a combined step.
To use "reverb" instead of "mp2reverb" and to use a smaller room and a big "width" setting is good. (see tenfour's song). I did that wrong in Avater 0_5.
I agree that the mix is a bit "quiet" - normally you are a loudness rider. Is it because of reverb this time ?

Lowcutting: ok I've seen you did a lot of lowcutting implictly by EQing, but in some channels like Track01 no lowcuts,
and no overall lowcut in MST. Any specific reasons ?

Overall:
very nice and smooth remix, vocals well integrated

Regarding licensing / sample clearance:
I think I know what you mean, but without it, it would be difficult or impossible for a lot of people to earn money for their honey.
The result: less professional releases. I wouldn't like that. Don't understand me wrong: I'm also against over-regulation,
but there are pro's and con's for licensing.

Comment by Knetter on 2010-02-11 08:00:15

Thanks everybody for the comments!

@Airmann,

Thanks a lot for your in-depth review.

Guitar is Electronic, self recorded Am7. Not sepcifically detuned, thought it would be tuned o_O?. Recording is done through my M-audio buddy and the M-audio Audiophile 2496.
Had asked the singer for more adlibs to give the song more groove, but the email she posted in the license file was invalid...

No wobbly wibble without LFO's ! They give texture.
Panning I found hard to not make it too obvious. I dunno but thats still a learning thing for me.

I agree with louder vox, the idea was to have her on the foreground.
Still have to buy good monitor speax (although I think that also the acoustics of my room is not optimal; how to cancel the acoustics effect?)
Wanted to create a more intimate ambience so less pumping on the maximizer this time. Also I experience the signal follower/side-chaining as a maximizing effect. It feels like I need less boost (booze?).

WRT lowcutting, I thought all samples were already lowcut by you ;)

Comment by Airmann on 2010-02-11 14:30:26

Hey Knetter, thanks for the infos. M-Audio - I guess good value for the money.

Panning & levels: one really needs speakers for that. The same in my case. I don't have very decent ones, too,
My next big investion will be probably better speakers. Do you have a subwoofer ? Could be suitable for your style of music, I guess.
Regarding acoustics: I use nearfield monitors, because my room is also suboptimal. I read somewhere that it's mostly better to invest in the room instead of new speakers. It's recommended
to invest at least the same amount of money for room optimization as for the speakers itself. Because I'm unsure, too, I bought a book about studio acoustics,
but haven't read, yet.

Reverb: I digged a little deeper into the topic. It seems that reverb is nowadays no big topic in mastering at all.
A lot of mastering people declare it as main component of the mix. It's sometimes used to treat dull-sounding mixes or in special cases to gel things together.
What I've written above is from my mastering book, but there are different opinions in the web. E.g. the order: it's no natural law that it comes before compression (though often the case),
but consensus is, that the maximizer should be the last element in the chain.

Regarding loudness: makes sense to me, but a few dB more would've been no prob IMO. As long as the maximizer isn't really working.

Lowcutting: for kicks and basses I omitted the lowcut. And to be honest: I simply forgot to do it for most of the other samples :-}. I just realized that too late %-)
Moreover I've digged into the filter topic a little deeper a few days ago: one should be careful with very steep filters in general, because the steeper the filter, the more it alters the phase.
Though butterworth seems generally to be a good trade off: I'm not so sure about the 8n butterworth anymore. The 4n is of course ok.
Would be interesting if one could hear a phase-coloring difference between 4n and 8n.

BTW: 0_5 stands totally unspectacular for version 0.5 :)

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