The Prisoner by Chotoro
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A short entry, bent up with unmutual dissonance.
Comment by waterhead on 2010-02-03 07:01:49
Really like your choice of samples and arrangement. Makes me chilling. Good work!
Comment by Airmann on 2010-02-03 18:11:19
Awesome creative sound collages - totally Hollywood compatible. Is this Rambo 2/4 :-) ? Very good usage of the samples, suspense in intro rocks.
Comment by irrelevnt on 2010-02-03 20:54:19
I like the human feel to this.
As I was listening to it my roommate handed me a box of chocolate donuts, which isn't really relevant, but a good thing.
Comment by tenfour on 2010-02-04 04:33:13
well-crafted. everything fits so well it sounds more like an orchestration than a tracker. most impressive is how well the synth samples go with the acoustic ones. vocal track is genius. can you say more about the writing process for this, like how were you lead to the harmonies, sounds, and melodies? It's really beautiful.
Comment by Knetter on 2010-02-04 09:47:55
wOOT FUSION! Indeed very interesting, and creative.
Comment by Chotoro on 2010-02-04 12:33:21
Wow, I'm honestly surprised with so much positivity.. thank you all!
The oddness of the piece is purely inspired from just having watched The Prisoner, esp. the last episode.
@tenfour: There's not much to say about the process. Started out with the drum loop and bending guitar. Then I figured I'll continue through the samplepack and try to use samples either way too high or too low. From there, it's just a matter of putting it all together so it sounds nice, a little copypasting, and some variation on top of variation.
Though I just realized one thing about variation, more in the forums on that.
Comment by ambtax1 on 2010-02-05 18:02:56
Just carrying on the positivity.
I felt nicely immersed in your sound.
I didn't feel that the quiter moments were lacking something which can easily happen with this sort of track.
Is it deliberately fairly short?
Nice seperation of instruments
Comment by Airmann on 2010-02-07 17:17:02
Hey Chotoro: why not just reflect some positivity by creating some comments ? Would be definitely positive ;-)
Comment by chunter on 2010-02-08 17:44:31
If this was a movie cue it is the perfect length. Great use of the samples.
Comment by Airmann on 2010-02-10 03:27:11
interesting: you also used a reverb in MST, also after compression. In your case the mp2reverb is an interesting choice, because I think it fills that space between the elements. But why not before compression ?
Overall impression of the song: IMO most creative usage of the samples, but it's pretty short and feels a bit rushed (?). I guess it could be even better with more time invested ?
Nonetheless it's great and I like it !
Comment by Chotoro on 2010-02-10 05:04:33
@Airmann: I think reverb after compression makes it more like a room sound, for just the filling-in effect you describe. If I wanted it to be part of the "music itself" it would make sense to put it before. I think, at least.. I haven't really done any listening tests to back this up. It's what I recall from the mastering plugins I've used though.
Comment by tenfour on 2010-02-10 07:50:34
my idea of master reverb / compression is this: first, use a compressor to get the audio to a suitable loudness and not reach too much into the red - maybe 1-2db or the occasional transient. next, use reverb. after compression so the reverb itself is not compressed. finally, use a final master compression (maximizer) which is almost audibly transparent to take care of the transients and shape the sound instead of clipping it.
Comment by Airmann on 2010-02-11 15:07:56
Sorry guys, what I've written was obviously a bit "black & white". I've digged deeper into the topic and I've learned that there's no "law" about any mastering order - though consensus is that maximizer should be the last element.
Also there are very different recommendation about the reverb settings itself. I've not finished my studies - and probably never will
- compressor before reverb: without compressor there's more natural reverberation triggered, since the dry signal contains still more dynamics (peaks and valleys).
- compressor after reverb: it can destroy the room feeling if too much compression is used. But for mastering purposes usually very transparent compressors with mild compression settings (e.g. 1.3:1) are used - so that should be no problem (I mean compressors like e.g. Voxengos Polysquasher)
The problem about the whole discussion: Renoise has no decent mastering components (besides the maximizer (clipper) which is suitable IMO). Especially the compressors are IMO far from working transparent.
This means: compression after reverb destroys probably the room feeling (with Renoise native stuff), so your technique to use reverb after compression is an interesting alternative.
For the rest see @Knetter's song